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These are the draft minutes for the July 26th, 2005 SPI Board meeting, held at 19:00 UTC in #spi on irc.spi-inc.org.
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1. Opening delayed 11 minutes due to lack of quorum
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2. Roll call
Board members present
John Goerzen (CosmicRay) (President)
David Graham (cdlu) (Secretary)
Jimmy Kaplowitz (Hydroxide) (Treasurer)
Branden Robinson (Overfiend)
Ian Jackson (IanJackson)
Martin Schulze (Joey) (late)
Board members absent with regrets
Benj. Mako Hill (mako) (Vice-President)
Bdale Garbee (bdale)
Board members absent
Bruce Perens (BrucePerens)
Registered guests present
Michael Schultheiss (schultmc)
Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho (ibid)
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3. Treasurer's Report
LinuxFund has offered to donate $500 per month for 12 months, starting in August, to the Debian project.
Accepting the donation is left to the Debian project.
Motion to accept the treasurer's report moved by Jimmy Kaplowitz, seconded by David Graham.
Vote:
David Graham: Yes
Branden Robinson: Yes
Jimmy Kaplowitz: Yes
John Goerzen: Yes
Ian Jackson: Yes
Martin Schulze: Yes
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4. Resolution 2005-07-26.bp.1: Opensource.org
Resolution 2005-07-26.bp.1: Open Source Initiative domain transfer
1. WHEREAS The historical reasons for SPI holding the opensource.org domain no longer apply;
2. The board resolves that the opensource.org domain be transferred to the Open Source Initiative Inc.
Ian Jackson states the reason that he objects to this resolution is that "SPI is a membership controlled organisation and OSI is a self-perpetuating board. I don't think a self-perpetuating board is an appropriate structure for this."
David Graham states that this is just where SPI was three years ago.
Branden Robinson states that "I for one am pleased to see that OSI has suddenly realized that license proliferation is bad thing, after spending so many years being the single biggest cause of it, but IMO it's not enough."
Jimmy Kaplowitz moves for a vote on the resolution, seconded by David Graham.
Vote:
Jimmy Kaplowitz: Yes
David Graham: Yes
Ian Jackson: No
Branden Robinson: No
John Goerzen: Abstain
Martin Schulze: Abstain
Resolution 2005-07-26.bp.1 fails with a vote of:
Yes: 2, No: 2, Abstain: 2.
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5. Tax Filing Status
No real progress is reported.
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6. Adjournment
The meeting is adjourned until August 16th, 2005 at 19:00 UTC
The meeting closes at 19:34.
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Appendix A: Current Board Membership
Date elected Name Role
[2003-03-11] John Goerzen President
[2003-03-11] Benjamin Mako Hill Vice President
[2003-11-29] David Graham Secretary
[2004-02-20] Jimmy Kaplowitz Treasurer
[2004-07-29] Bdale Garbee
[2004-07-29] Branden Robinson
[2003-11-29] Ian Jackson
[2003-03-11] Bruce Perens
[2003-11-29] Martin "Joey" Schulze
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Appendix B: Treasurer's report
Treasurer's Report
Software in the Public Interest Financial Data
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This report uses a cash-based method of accounting,
recording donations when deposited (not when the check was
written or received by us) and recording expenses when sent
or scheduled for payment (not when incurred). Network for
Good processing fees are no longer listed, both to avoid
confusion and since they are already subtracted out from our
check before we ever receive it.
Profit/Loss June 1 2005 - June 30 2005
Ordinary Income/Expense
Income
Donations
DebConf5 Sponsorship 22,000.00
Debian (except DebConf5 Sponsorship) 2,724.60[1]
Unrestricted 225.02
Total Donations 24,949.62
First IB Fee Reversals (SPI) 60.00[2]
Total Income 25,009.62
Expense
LinuxWorld Reimbursement (Debian earmark) (110.25)
Canadian Exchange Rate Adjustments (Debian) (30.09)
Total Expense (140.34)
Net Ordinary Income 24,869.28
Net Income 24,869.28
Balance Sheet as of June 30, 2005
ASSETS
Current Assets
First IB Checking
Known Debian Earmark (non-DebConf5) 2,262.15
Known DebConf5 Earmark 22,000.00
Known GNOME Earmark 20.00
Known Unrestricted Earmark 1,229.69
Earmark to be Determined 12,258.78
Total First IB Checking 37,770.62
AmEx Financial Advisors Acct
Earmark to be Determined 39,882.62
Total AmEx Financial Advisors Acct 39,882.62
Total Current Assets 77,653.24
TOTAL ASSETS 77,653.24
LIABILITIES & EQUITY
Equity
Retained Earnings 52,783.96
Net Income 24,869.28
Total Equity 77,653.24
TOTAL LIABILITIES & EQUITY 77,653.24
- Jimmy Kaplowitz, SPI Treasurer
treasurer@spi-inc.org
[1] This includes the full face value of our first-ever Canadian check
received, which was originally deposited in April and redeposited after
bank hassles in June, as well as the full face value of our second-ever
Canadian check received, which seems to have been handled smoothly by FirstIB.
[2] These fees are as explained in Branden's BANK: mail sent to spi-private
with Message-ID: <20050620083344.GA31302@redwald.deadbeast.net>.
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Appendix C: Meeting log
00:15 <CosmicRay> *GAVEL*
00:21 <CosmicRay> [item 1, opening] This meeting of the Board of Software in the Public Interest, Inc., is called to order.
00:21 <CosmicRay> PLEASE NOTE: Our agenda for today, AND all the resolutions and minutes we will be voting on, are online at:
00:21 <CosmicRay> http://www.spi-inc.org/secretary/agenda/
00:21 <CosmicRay> [item 2, roll call] Board members, please state your name for the record. Others present may /msg cdlu with your full name if you wish to be listed in the records.
00:21 <CosmicRay> We have 9 board members, so quorum for today is 6.
00:37 <cdlu> David Graham
00:37 <Hydroxide> http://www.debian.org/partners/ has a lot of buttons, including Freenode and Black Cat and OSUOSL etc
00:40 <Hydroxide> Jimmy Kaplowitz
00:40 <CosmicRay> cdlu: so I was 9 seconds late... ;-)
00:42 <CosmicRay> John Goerzen
00:47 <cdlu> 15 ;)
00:50 <IanJackson> Ian Jackson
01:16 <CosmicRay> this is not good.
01:19 <cdlu> 4...
01:23 <cdlu> overfiend, atten-HUT!
01:39 <Hydroxide> cdlu: we left HUT about a week ago :P
01:59 <Overfiend> Branden Robinson
01:59 <CosmicRay> cdlu: we have regrets from bdale and mako, yes?
02:06 <Hydroxide> yes we do
02:07 <cdlu> from bdale, not sure about mako
02:12 <Hydroxide> cdlu: scroll up
02:17 <CosmicRay> <azeem> mako just messaged me he won't be able to make it for the meeting - the network at What the Hack is not up yet
02:22 <cdlu> ah, from azeem
02:22 <cdlu> k
02:29 <cdlu> wonder why he didn't message the secretary. :)
02:35 <CosmicRay> so we need one more...
02:38 <Hydroxide> maybe he didn't know that much
02:41 <cdlu> yeah, but no more are logged in
02:53 <cdlu> actually
02:53 <cdlu> Joey is
02:56 <cdlu> just not on this channel
02:56 <Overfiend> cdlu: I don't think the attendancy policy mandates contacting the sec'y specifically, just "the board"
02:57 <cdlu> and not idle
02:58 <Hydroxide> yeah, just checked that
03:06 <Hydroxide> (re Joey, not re the policy)
03:07 <cdlu> everyone, all at once, /msg Joey SPI meeting
03:16 <Hydroxide> I'll let you all do that :)
03:20 <cdlu> Overfiend, right, though azeem is neither :)
03:23 <CosmicRay> "Achtung" was effective ;-)
03:30 <cdlu> heh
03:47 <Overfiend> yeah, I don't think the policy covers proxies :)
03:52 * cdlu wonders if we have SJOIN ...
04:00 <cdlu> force people to join a channel they did not request to join..
04:02 <cdlu> dancer has that
04:04 <CosmicRay> well folks, even if we don't make quorum we should still check in on the status of a few things
04:06 <cdlu> one of many.. interesting features
04:11 <cdlu> CR, here here
04:21 <cdlu> (or hear hear. damned if I know which it is supposed to be)
04:34 <CosmicRay> We can't really approve the treasurer's report, but I heard some questions about it...
04:48 <Overfiend> cdlu: it's "hear hear"
04:50 <cdlu> k
04:56 <cdlu> OF, my other thought was "hear here"
05:01 <Overfiend> :)
05:01 <CosmicRay> such as where the $22,000 came from
05:03 <Overfiend> oyez oyez oyez
05:11 <Hydroxide> CosmicRay: Linspire and NetApp and IBM
05:13 <cdlu> yeah, I'm wondering where 1/3 of our entire budget suddenly plopped out of the sky from :)
05:22 <CosmicRay> Overfiend: You're just a SCOTUS fanboy
05:24 <Overfiend> it's DC5 money
05:26 <Hydroxide> CosmicRay: they were wires for DebConf5 sponsorship
05:33 <Hydroxide> (or, IBM's was a check, but still)
05:35 <CosmicRay> ok, very nice.
05:42 <CosmicRay> any other questions about the treasurer's report?
05:44 <cdlu> where is debconf next year?
05:48 <Hydroxide> cdlu: mexico
05:49 <IanJackson> Mexico.
05:49 <Overfiend> cdlu: Mexico City
05:53 <cdlu> k
06:01 <Hydroxide> Overfiend: not exactly, but near there
06:05 * cdlu would like to attend if he can find a way. only one I've been to was 40 minutes up the road.
06:19 <Overfiend> Hydroxide: by that reasoning DC5 wasn't in Helsinki, either :)
06:22 <Hydroxide> cdlu: should be easier than Finland, price wise, for both you and me :)
06:45 <Hydroxide> Overfiend: true enough :P well, although, Espoo is part of the greater Helsinki metro area, whereas I don't think ... never mind :)
06:46 <cdlu> Hydroxide, well, I could probably get work to pay if I cover it as a journalist...
06:54 <Hydroxide> cdlu: cool
06:59 <CosmicRay> there were also some discussions going on about the LinuxFund thing. Anything more to talk about on that?
06:59 <cdlu> at least part of i
07:01 <cdlu> it
07:02 <cdlu> have to try
07:06 <Overfiend> are we quorate?
07:09 <Hydroxide> Overfiend: no
07:09 <cdlu> no
07:10 <CosmicRay> Overfiend: no
07:14 <Overfiend> fuck
07:17 <cdlu> Overfiend, yes
07:17 <CosmicRay> 1 person short.
07:29 <Overfiend> anyone absent without regrets forfeits all rights to bitch about the bookkeeping/accounting/etc., FOREVER
07:34 <Hydroxide> Overfiend: we need one of Bruce, Joey, Bdale, and Mako, and those last two have given regrets
07:38 <cdlu> however strictly speaking it's not thad big a deal, seeing as we've already had one board meeting this calendar month
07:59 <cdlu> s/thad/that/
08:05 <Hydroxide> so, about the LinuxFund thing
08:29 <Hydroxide> the plan is to give us US$500/month for the next twelve months (starting in August), for a total of US$6000 over the course of the year
08:36 <Hydroxide> I believe it is earmarked for Debian
08:41 <cdlu> I move we thank LinuxFund for their generous offer and hope they renew it annually
08:43 <Overfiend> rockin'.
08:46 <Overfiend> cdlu: seconded
08:50 <CosmicRay> I would really prefer to have Debian folks talk to them about it
08:50 <cdlu> with guaranteed funding like that, we can allocate the entire thing to proper bookkeeping
08:55 <Overfiend> it's good to see LinuxFund actually doing something with its money
08:59 <Overfiend> they've been around for *YEARS*
09:06 <Hydroxide> in exchange, they want a bit of publicity ... such as a button on the SPI or Debian website, and the ability to be quoted in a press release about it
09:11 <Overfiend> I remember hanging around Ben when they were getting off the ground at ALS 1999
09:17 <CosmicRay> I'm not sure that it's our place to be accepting agreements on behalf of our member projects
09:17 <cdlu> they're giving $6000 to Debian, WikiPedia, and PDPC (Freenode)
09:43 <cdlu> CosmicRay, overfiend seconding it is rather significant, considering his role in the member project
09:48 <CosmicRay> yup.
09:53 <Hydroxide> I forwarded their original email to the board a few days ago, and I forwarded his followup just as 1900 UTC was happening (so check your email board members)
10:03 <Hydroxide> the followup has the specifics of what they want from us
10:10 <Overfiend> cdlu: er, when I second, I second as a Director of SPI
10:20 <Overfiend> cdlu: I take your point, but don't get carried away, please :)
10:24 <Hydroxide> oh, they also want one or two reports over the course of the year on what we/Debian are doing with the money
10:41 <cdlu> Overfiend, have to be careful. ;)
10:46 <Hydroxide> so, people think that we need to check with Overfiend in his capacity as DPL?
10:49 <IanJackson> We should be sure to try to actually spend this money, or it will definitely look bad. FSVO we.
10:49 <CosmicRay> see, I think Debian ought to be doing that, and Debian ought to be agreeing to it and taking appropriate responsibility for it.
10:52 <cdlu> Hydroxide, I should point out that they want accounting of how we're using the money
10:57 <cdlu> I wonder if they will accept "we're not"?
10:59 <CosmicRay> what is SPI to do if Debian doesn't actually buy anything with it?
11:07 <Overfiend> SPI doesn't need the DPL's permission to accept a donation to Debian
11:22 <Overfiend> the publicity bits probably do need a decision from the member project
11:34 <CosmicRay> Overfiend: right, but we don't spend that donation on behalf of Debian without Debian's request
11:41 <Overfiend> CosmicRay: cash is fungible
11:43 <Overfiend> whee!
11:44 <Overfiend> QUORUM
11:45 <cdlu> quorum!
11:46 <Overfiend> thanks Joey
11:56 <Joey> Need to scan mail.
12:03 <CosmicRay> ok, shall we restart from the top?
12:11 <Overfiend> CosmicRay: what ever SPI spends for Debian over the next 12 months, we can legimately say LinuxFund helped us with
12:50 <Joey> Whyere are you?
12:55 <CosmicRay> might as well finish this topic while we're here (LinuxFund)
13:06 <cdlu> Joey, lacking quorum, we're technically at roll call.
13:21 <Joey> Ok.
13:24 <Joey> Please go on.
13:32 <CosmicRay> I see Martin Schulze here, so let's discuss LinuxFund.
13:46 <CosmicRay> for the minutes. ;-)
14:22 <Hydroxide> someone want to cut and paste from above? I don't feel like repeating myself
14:25 <CosmicRay> Overfiend: I don't see a problem with what we're doing in this case. I just think that if a donation comes with strings, and it's for a member project, that project should decide whether or not to accept it, *and* have the responsibility of sticking to the strings.
14:35 <Overfiend> Joey: LinuxFund, a U.S. credit card company established several years ago to benefit Linux-related FLOSS projects, has announced that they will give each of the Debian Project, Wikipedia, and PDPC (a.k.a. Freenode) $500/month for the next 12 months, starting in August.
14:50 <IanJackson> OK, so we should ask the DPL - hello Overfiend - to say they accept it and will try to spend it ?
15:10 <Overfiend> CosmicRay: agreed. But I don't recall that these are "strings" per se. Just a very sweetly-phrased request.
15:26 <Overfiend> lemme review the mail
15:26 <IanJackson> It's a very reasonable request and we should accede.
15:27 <CosmicRay> IanJackson: exactly, and that they will do whatever linuxfund asks regarding the press release, buttons/links, reports, etc.
15:34 <IanJackson> Right.
15:35 <cdlu> they don't sound like they'll try retrieving the money if it doesn't get spent, they'll just stop sending more
15:37 <CosmicRay> Overfiend: right
16:13 <Overfiend> cdlu: Yes. The onus is on Debian to spend the money in a way LinuxFund finds worthy. Same as all our donors, really.
16:16 <IanJackson> Can we try to speed this meeting up a bit ?
16:44 <cdlu> Overfiend, right. So now that we're quorate, can we vote on my motion? :)
16:50 <CosmicRay> Overfiend: would you like to state for the record that Debian accepts the donation and responsibility to handle the pr/reports/whatever per the request?
16:50 <Joey> Overfiend: I know that, I've even responded to Jimmy's mail.
16:52 <cdlu> Tue Jul 26 19:08:41 2005 | <cdlu:#spi> I move we thank LinuxFund for their generous offer and hope they renew it annually
17:05 <Overfiend> This is an unrestricted grant, but we will expect a detailed
17:05 <Overfiend> write up at the end of the year showing why we should renew the grant and
17:05 <Overfiend> what you did to earn it.
17:22 <IanJackson> We don't need a motion to thank them. Let's just get on with it.
17:23 <CosmicRay> ok.
17:25 <Overfiend> We
17:26 <Overfiend> would ask that you do give us your normal recognition for this amount of a
17:26 <Overfiend> grant (A link to our website with a write up about the grant would be
17:26 <Overfiend> cool), and that you are willing to be quoted in a press release about the
17:26 <Overfiend> grant.
17:32 <Joey> Overfiend: We should send out a press release on this (Debian should, with information and thanks and $whatnot)
17:36 <cdlu> fine, but the motion provides us a way to get on with it. since we're not. :)
17:40 <Hydroxide> another couple of URLs are http://www.debian.org/partners/partners and http://www.debian.org/partners/
17:43 <Overfiend> Joey: <DPL hat> Agreed.
17:49 <Overfiend> CosmicRay: I do so state.
17:58 <CosmicRay> OK. I think that finishes this topic then.
18:03 <CosmicRay> Any other comments before we move on?
18:19 <CosmicRay> Hearing none....
18:21 <IanJackson> No, no, carry on ...
18:22 <CosmicRay> [item 4, treasurer's report] Jimmy, you have the floor. (Note, the tax filing status is on the agenda for later)
18:46 <Hydroxide> The report was submitted last night to the board and spi-private lists. Any comments?
18:54 <Joey> Comment: Thanks.
18:57 <IanJackson> It looks like a report to me.
18:58 * Overfiend holds his breath
19:05 <Hydroxide> OK :) then I move we approve it
19:08 <cdlu> Hydroxide, I was surprised by the $22,000 donation but other than that, no technical problems
19:09 * cdlu seconds
19:20 <CosmicRay> ok, this vote is on approving the treasurer's report as sent.
19:21 <CosmicRay> !vote start
19:22 <Overfiend> cdlu: the DC5 budget was about $150k USD total
19:24 <cdlu> !vote yes
19:24 <IanJackson> I'm going to get Luc to quibble about your display of the earmark status but that can wait for another time ...
19:25 <Overfiend> !vote yes
19:26 <Hydroxide> !vote yes
19:27 <CosmicRay> !vote yes
19:27 * cdlu serves as vote bot
19:27 <IanJackson> !vote yes
19:40 * cdlu sees 5 yes, 0 no, 0 abstain, 1 unvoted
19:41 <Joey> !vote yes
19:46 * cdlu sees unanimous consent
19:54 * Overfiend slaps Hydroxide on the back
19:55 <CosmicRay> ok, moving on...
20:01 <Hydroxide> ok, that was about as quick as we've ever approved one of those ;)
20:08 <Overfiend> Hydroxide: amazing, wasn't it? :)
20:10 <CosmicRay> Overfiend: Carefull, that might not be how they do it in Europe ;-)
20:13 <CosmicRay> [item 5, OSI resolution] Resolution 2005-07-26.bp.1 has been proposed.
20:13 <cdlu> Hydroxide, far cry from the 45-minutes to approve one :)
20:24 <Overfiend> I'm not familiar with it
20:25 <IanJackson> My views on this are well known, but I would like to state them for the record - and for the minutes.
20:29 <Overfiend> is it linked from the agenda?
20:31 <CosmicRay> Bruce isn't here to discuss his resolution but I think we all know about it
20:33 <CosmicRay> ... or not
20:34 <cdlu> Resolution 2005-07-26.bp.1: Open Source Initiative domain transfer
20:34 <cdlu> 1. WHEREAS The historical reasons for SPI holding the opensource.org domain no longer apply;
20:34 <cdlu> 2. The board resolves that the opensource.org domain be transferred to the Open Source Initiative Inc.
20:36 <CosmicRay> Overfiend: yes, it's on the agenda
20:39 <cdlu> that's the entire text of the resolution
20:44 <Overfiend> reading....
20:44 <CosmicRay> Overfiend: it basically turns opensource.org over to OSI
20:53 <Hydroxide> Overfiend: it's included in the agenda, as well, although not linked from it (as if that matters).
20:58 <cdlu> I have no objections to it. I think we should bury this hatchet.
21:05 <Overfiend> oh, that
21:08 <IanJackson> The reason, according to me, is that SPI is a membership controlled organisation and OSI is a self-perpetuating board. I don't think a self-perpetuating board is an appropriate structure for this.
21:12 <CosmicRay> cdlu: ... in Bruce's back, for not showing up?
21:20 <IanJackson> So I will be voting against.
21:27 <cdlu> CosmicRay, heh
21:33 <IanJackson> On the other hand, I don't expect to convince anyone so I don't feel the need to discuss it.
21:36 * Hydroxide thanks IanJackson for putting his views on the record, and moves to vote.
21:46 <cdlu> Ian, that's your right, however I believe that opensource.org is merely where SPI was 3 years ago
21:49 <CosmicRay> is there a second?
21:54 * cdlu seconds
21:59 <CosmicRay> This vote is on 2005-07-26.bp.1.
22:01 <CosmicRay> !vote start
22:02 <Hydroxide> !vote yes
22:04 <IanJackson> cdlu: Let's take that offline :-).
22:04 <cdlu> !vote yes
22:06 <IanJackson> !vote no
22:07 <Overfiend> I for one am pleased to see that OSI has suddenly realized that license proliferation is bad thing, after spending so many years being the single biggest cause of it, but IMO it's not enough.
22:11 <Overfiend> !vote no
22:20 <CosmicRay> !vote abstain
22:28 <cdlu> 2 yes, 2 no, 1 abstain, deciding vote hasn't
22:41 * Overfiend watches the power go to Joey's head
22:42 <Hydroxide> Joey: ?? your vote decides the issue this time
22:50 <Overfiend> unless someone wants to change his vote
23:10 <Joey> IanJackson: While I agree with you, SPI has not done anything useful with the domain in the past, so it does not exactly make sense to bunker it.
23:13 * Joey abstains
23:16 * Overfiend watches Joey's quivering thumb as he eats grapes
23:17 <cdlu> oy
23:20 <cdlu> 2 yes, 2 no, 2 abstain
23:20 <Hydroxide> ok, so it fails
23:22 <Overfiend> and KEEPS eating grapes!
23:23 <cdlu> this motion is defeated
23:27 * Overfiend laughs his ass off
23:31 * Joey sighs
23:32 <Hydroxide> I'm sure Bruce regrets not being here now :)
23:34 <IanJackson> That'll teach Bruce not to turn up.
23:40 <CosmicRay> cdlu: however, outcome may be different next month, so maybe put it on the agenda for August again
23:45 * Overfiend cackles with deep schadenfreude
23:52 * Joey couldn't wholehartly approve it either *sigh*
23:53 <CosmicRay> [item 5, tax filing status] Jimmy/Mako, you have the floor for an update.
23:54 <cdlu> CosmicRay, if it is resubmitted
24:00 <CosmicRay> cdlu: fair enough.
24:06 <cdlu> how about
24:15 <Overfiend> CosmicRay: if Bruce wants it, let him push for it and bother to show up to speak in favor of it
24:19 * cdlu moves that we offer opensource.org to opensource.org in exchange for quid pro quo.
24:23 <cdlu> and see what they come up with? :)
24:25 <CosmicRay> heh
24:34 <Overfiend> cdlu: huh?
24:48 <CosmicRay> so what's happening with our tax filing stuff, Mark's Bookeeping, and the associated issues?
24:49 <IanJackson> hy: Please ignore cdlu and give us your info ...
24:52 <Hydroxide> CosmicRay: I don't have much to say here. Mako has been traveling to lots of conferences and hasn't gotten around to things like sending Mark's new client checklist to me or the board, and I'm not 100% sure if he signed their letter of engagement (though I think he did)
25:06 <Overfiend> Hydroxide: Mako told me at DC5 that he did sign that letter of engagement.
25:09 <CosmicRay> Hydroxide: could you contact Mark's directly and handle that yourself?
25:10 <Hydroxide> Overfiend: okay.
25:35 <Overfiend> I am awaiting instructions on what specifically to ship, and where.
25:40 <Overfiend> but I'm ready to go
25:43 <Hydroxide> CosmicRay: okay
26:15 <CosmicRay> I appreciate the effort to do all of this. please let me know if I can help with anything.
26:30 <Overfiend> it is a ridiculously bad time for Mako, he's away from home for like 5 solid weeks or something
26:32 <CosmicRay> it would be very good to have Mark's all set to be doing stuff for us by next board meeting
26:38 <CosmicRay> yeah
27:03 <Overfiend> Hydroxide: call my cell phone anytime day or night once you have something for me to do
27:29 <Overfiend> doesn't EVERYONE look forward to a fresh round of the "nag Branden to ship a box" game?
27:32 <CosmicRay> Hydroxide: do you think we can have them up and running by the August meeting?
27:33 <Overfiend> I know I do! :-P
27:46 <CosmicRay> Overfiend: oh yes, and let's just get you that Fedex account number... ;-)
27:53 <Overfiend> heh, I still have it
28:12 <Overfiend> It *would* be amusing to use it again, and ask Ean if he wants to "donate" the shipping cost :)
28:17 <Overfiend> or wait to be cut a check again :)
28:34 * cdlu coughs
28:39 * Overfiend asks cdlu to exclude those last 3 lines from me from the transcript :)
29:07 <CosmicRay> Hydroxide? still with us?
29:11 <Overfiend> More seriously, I was just gonna mail it USPS
29:18 <cdlu> Overfiend, I think procedure would require us to get the permission of all present to amend the log :)
29:20 <Overfiend> they have tracking services
29:24 <Hydroxide> yes, I am still here. sorry, I'm in an office where my office mate was asking me questions
29:28 <Overfiend> cdlu: good lord :)
29:50 <CosmicRay> Hydroxide: ok, I was just wondering if you thought we could have everythign arranged by MBS by the August meeting.
29:56 <Hydroxide> when is the august meeting?
29:59 <cdlu> August 16
30:04 <Overfiend> 3rd Tuesday of the month, presumably
30:07 <Overfiend> eh?
30:08 <IanJackson> My last day at nCipher.
30:18 <Overfiend> August 2005
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30:18 <Overfiend> 1 2 3 4 5 6
30:18 <Overfiend> 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
30:18 <Overfiend> 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
30:19 <IanJackson> So um, I might be unavailable due to alcohol.
30:20 <Overfiend> 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
30:23 <Overfiend> 28 29 30 31
30:25 <Overfiend> huh, yeah
30:28 <cdlu> Overfiend, yes, I referred to that. :)
30:54 <Overfiend> I think we have segued ourselves into the last agenda tiem
30:57 <Overfiend> item
30:58 <Hydroxide> mm. I'd say we can definitely get it done in August, but I'm not sure how much free time I'll have in the next three weeks. I might be able to do it
31:11 <CosmicRay> ok. I'd really appreciate it if that could happen.
31:15 <CosmicRay> moving on...
31:20 <CosmicRay> [item 6, next meetings] The next regular meeting would be August 16 at
31:20 <Overfiend> Hydroxide: if you feel things slipping away, call me and/or John
31:21 <CosmicRay> 19:00 UTC. Any objections?
31:25 <Hydroxide> I'll definitely be working on it in the next three weeks, in any case, and I do think it can be done in August
31:26 <IanJackson> Can you give us an update in a week or to so we know roughly what to expect ? And if you need any help ?
31:27 <Overfiend> if I can't do it, I'll call John
31:28 <Hydroxide> Overfiend: ok
31:37 <CosmicRay> IanJackson: good suggestion
31:42 <Overfiend> let's make our President earn his salary for a change
31:44 <Hydroxide> IanJackson: I'll try to keep the board informed, yes
31:46 <IanJackson> Not anything long, just a quick thing to let us know you're still there and give us an idea whether to be optimistic or pessimistic.
31:47 <IanJackson> Thanks.
32:01 <IanJackson> Err, I mean a week or two.
32:06 <Hydroxide> IanJackson: I figured
32:09 <CosmicRay> Overfiend: my grandmother isn't getting paid by SPI, either! ;-)
32:28 <cdlu> CosmicRay, well I'm sure we could adopt PDPC's constitution and have you earn a healthy salary :)
32:28 <CosmicRay> anyway, meeting date. august 16. good?
32:32 <CosmicRay> hehe
32:32 <cdlu> yes, good
32:34 <Hydroxide> no objections
32:37 <CosmicRay> Is there any other business?
32:45 <CosmicRay> going once...
32:47 <CosmicRay> twice...
32:47 <cdlu> CosmicRay, any news from DebConf that is relevant?
32:54 <Hydroxide> cdlu: note in the agenda that we had regrets from Mako
32:56 <CosmicRay> cdlu: dunno... overfiend?
32:57 <Overfiend> how would *he* know?
33:02 <Overfiend> the bastage didn't show up!
33:08 <Overfiend> There was an SPI round table than Mako ran
33:11 <Hydroxide> Overfiend: bastage?
33:13 <Overfiend> it was pretty uneventful
33:19 <IanJackson> hy: Like of chickens.
33:21 <Overfiend> Hydroxide: bastardization of "bastard"
33:26 <Hydroxide> ah
33:31 <Overfiend> no real whining about SPI
33:31 <CosmicRay> anything else?
33:41 <Overfiend> nothing from me
33:41 <cdlu> k
33:43 <Hydroxide> cdlu: thanks
33:47 <IanJackson> You get a brush or a spoon and cover the target object in oil/juice/whatever.
33:57 <CosmicRay> well.
33:57 <IanJackson> Excuse me.
34:00 <CosmicRay> [closing] We are adjourned until August 16 at 19:00 UTC.
34:00 * cdlu warns CR to close this before it degenerates
34:00 <CosmicRay> *GAVEL*
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