19:00 < schultmc> *GAVEL* 19:00 < schultmc> [item 1, opening] Today's Software in the Public Interest meeting is called to order. Today's agenda and any pending resolutions are listed at http://www.spi-inc.org/secretary/agenda/2006/2006-12-19.html 19:00 < schultmc> [item 2, roll call] Board members, please state your name for the record. As we have nine board members, quorum for today's meeting is six. I note for the record that regrets have been received from Bdale Garbee and Martin "Joey" Schulze. 19:00 < schultmc> Guests, please /msg your names to Maulkin for the record 19:00 < cdlu> jberkus, time's up :) 19:00 < xzilla> jberkus: is it worth it to the member projects to try and a) change osi, or b) try to mold the idea of oss into something we agree with? 19:00 < cdlu> David Graham 19:00 < jberkus> Josh Berkus 19:00 < schultmc> Michael Schultheiss 19:00 < Hydroxide> Jimmy Kaplowitz 19:00 < slef> Maulkin Screen disconnected 19:00 < xzilla> jberkus: i suspect b might be true, i am less so thinking of a 19:00 < Maulkin> Hete 19:00 < Maulkin> Neil McGovern 19:00 < cdlu> one short of quorum 19:01 < jberkus> where's Joey and Ian? 19:01 * cdlu pings joey 19:01 < schultmc> joey gave regrets 19:01 < Hydroxide> jberkus, cdlu: he actually gave regrets 19:01 * schultmc calls Branden 19:01 < cdlu> oh, right 19:01 < Hydroxide> I was expecting Ian to be here though 19:01 < cdlu> Ian's probably replying to the thread :) 19:01 -!- iwj [~ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #spi 19:01 < Maulkin> Here we go :) 19:01 < cdlu> Ian! quorum. 19:01 < jberkus> Ian! 19:01 < iwj> Aha! Sorry I'm a bit late. 19:01 < Hydroxide> Ian Jackson 19:02 < Hydroxide> :) 19:02 < schultmc> branden won't be joining us today 19:02 < jberkus> schultmc: hmmm ... reason? 19:02 < schultmc> he sounded sick on the phone 19:02 -!- iwj is now known as Diziet 19:02 < jberkus> schultmc: oh 19:02 < Diziet> Excuse me, wrong nick. 19:02 < Diziet> I'm Ian Jackson. 19:02 < jberkus> schultmc: please let him know that I need to talk to him about making deposits 19:03 < schultmc> jberkus: will do 19:03 < schultmc> [item 3, president's report] 19:03 < schultmc> I haven't heard from Bdale on the status of his action items from the last meeting 19:03 < schultmc> let's move on to the next item 19:03 < schultmc> [item 4, treasurer's report] 19:04 < schultmc> jberkus: you have the floor 19:04 < jberkus> OK, I posted what I have to say. 19:04 < jberkus> Plus please read response to Josh Drake 19:04 < jberkus> unfortunately Sun re-org has cut into my SPI time over the last month 19:04 < jberkus> expect it to get better in January 19:05 < jberkus> a major concern is that Branden has not been making bank deposits 19:05 < Hydroxide> jberkus: I understand first-hand the difficulty in gathering information when your assistant is hard to reach, as well as when the rest of your life is busy. but could we at least have account balances listed? 19:05 < jberkus> so I will probably be making proposal on changing banks next month 19:05 < Diziet> Can we not pay someone to do the clerical work that Branden is having difficulty with ? 19:05 < jberkus> Diziet: actually, it's my clerical work. 19:06 < jberkus> Diziet: and I need to set it up and get it rolling before I turn it over to anyone else 19:06 < jberkus> so that I know what's going on 19:06 < Hydroxide> jberkus: Branden's deposits are your clerical work? 19:06 < jberkus> Branden's issue is not making deposits 19:06 < jberkus> Hydroxide: deposits != clerical work 19:06 < jberkus> Hydroxide: I don't have access to online bank right now, but balance is same as last month -$150 19:07 < Diziet> jberkus: When I said `clerical work' I specifically meant to include these deposits. 19:07 < jberkus> Diziet: sorry, was confused 19:07 -!- linuxpoet [~jd@or-67-76-146-141.sta.embarqhsd.net] has joined #spi 19:07 < Diziet> It seems clerical to me. Is there really any significant element of discretion ? 19:07 < linuxpoet> morning everyone 19:07 < jberkus> Diziet: no, it's just a matter of having a trustworthy person physically go to the bank 19:08 < Diziet> It seems to me that this kind of thing could be contracted out. 19:08 < Diziet> And it's something we've always had difficulty doing in a timely manner. 19:08 < jberkus> Diziet: if you know an appropriate service, please refer 19:08 * schultmc wouldn't mind doing bank deposits himself 19:09 < Diziet> jberkus: I'm afraid I'm in the wrong continent ... 19:09 < schultmc> although for accountability reasons someone else would have to be the mail clerk then 19:09 < jberkus> we could swap 19:09 < jberkus> anyway, let's dicuss that on treasurer@ offline 19:09 < jberkus> er, board@ 19:09 < Diziet> OK 19:09 < schultmc> let's move on 19:09 < schultmc> [item 5, outstanding minutes] 19:09 < schultmc> Maulkin, you have the floor 19:09 < jberkus> final addition: next month I will be bringing the membership proposals of OpenOffice.org and LedgerSMB 19:09 < Maulkin> I have one set of minutes to approve this month, November 21st, 2006. 19:10 < schultmc> I note that bdale had a question about the long outstanding minutes as well 19:10 < Maulkin> Ok, that one's for cdlu 19:10 < Hydroxide> I've read the minutes over, and since I wasn't at the meeting I will abstain as to whether to approve them as accurate. 19:11 < Diziet> It's a shame we're so shorthanded in this meeting. 19:11 < Diziet> But I suppose it is nearly Christmas. 19:11 < jberkus> yes, I didn't read the minutes due to travel 19:11 < jberkus> so I can't vote 19:11 < jberkus> unless we defer the vote to the end of the meeting 19:11 < schultmc> cdlu: any comment on the october-december 2005 minutes? 19:11 < Hydroxide> why don't we defer the vote to the end of the meeting then? 19:11 < Hydroxide> that sounds fine to me 19:11 < cdlu> schultmc, only that they're obviously not done and it doesn't serve anyone for me to make excuses as to why. 19:12 < cdlu> I am, however, ready to approve the most recent set. 19:12 < Hydroxide> is everyone who was present then and is now present other than josh ready to approve them? 19:12 * Maulkin nods 19:12 * schultmc is 19:12 < Hydroxide> because if so, there's no reason to delay 19:12 * cdlu moves for approval 19:12 < Hydroxide> since it will pass 19:12 < Diziet> Right. 19:12 * Maulkin seconds 19:12 * schultmc seconds 19:13 < Maulkin> Voting started, 6 people (cdlu,jberkus,schultmc,hydroxide,maulkin,diziet ) allowed to vote on Approve November 21st, 2006 minutes. - You may vote yes/no/abstain only, type !vote $yourchoice now. 19:13 < Diziet> !vote yes 19:13 < cdlu> !vote yes 19:13 < schultmc> !vote yes 19:13 < Maulkin> !vote yes 19:13 < Hydroxide> !vote abstain 19:13 < jberkus> !vote abstain 19:13 < Maulkin> Current voting results for "Approve November 21st, 2006 minutes": Yes: 3, No: 0, Abstain: 2, Missing: 1 ( diziet ) 19:13 < Maulkin> Voting for "Approve November 21st, 2006 minutes" closed. 19:13 < Diziet> Urr. 19:13 < Maulkin> bah, sorry. 19:13 < Maulkin> Will adjust in the minutes 19:13 < cdlu> heh 19:13 < Hydroxide> 4 yes, 2 abstain, 0 missing 19:13 < Maulkin> thanks :) 19:13 < Hydroxide> err, 0 missing out of those in attendance 19:14 < Diziet> Right :-). 19:14 < Hydroxide> it passes. let's move on? 19:14 < Maulkin> That's it for me 19:14 < schultmc> [item 6, items up for discussion] 19:14 < schultmc> 6.1 Further on Debian trademark in Spain (Resolution 2006-04-03.jfsp.1) 19:14 < schultmc> I haven't heard feedback from bdale on this 19:14 < Diziet> We really needed Bdale but I'm afraid I failed to do my bit either. 19:14 * Hydroxide notes that regarding this we've heard neither from Bdale or Greg. 19:15 * Maulkin nods 19:15 < slef> Does SPI need to find additional lawyers? 19:15 < Maulkin> defer again then? 19:15 < cdlu> for that matter, I haven't heard anything from greg since november 2nd. 19:15 < Diziet> slef: Possibly. 19:15 < cdlu> slef, we might need to. New Year's resolution. :) 19:15 < Hydroxide> slef: entirely possible 19:15 < jberkus> I have access to an attorney if we allocate budget 19:15 < jberkus> o we can offer Greg money 19:15 < cdlu> jberkus, my first choice would be to hire gmp as a non-pro bono. 19:16 < Hydroxide> jberkus: not particularly for this issue, but in general we need an attorney who knows NY law since we're incorporated there 19:16 < Hydroxide> (gmp == Greg for those who don't know) 19:16 < Maulkin> May I suggest this is done on the list? :) 19:16 < cdlu> Maulkin, ya, it'll need an officer to go have a chat with him and come back with a discussion/resolution. 19:16 < Hydroxide> agreed, especially since we're not anywhere close to even having a resolution today 19:16 * Maulkin nods 19:17 < schultmc> yes, please discuss this on -board 19:17 < Hydroxide> hopefully we can prod Bdale (with Ian as backup) between now and next meetingf 19:17 < Diziet> Someone should be actioned to talk to Greg, surely ? 19:17 < Maulkin> Any volunteers? 19:17 < Diziet> Preferably someone who hasn't already already been useless at said task :-/. 19:17 < Diziet> (Sorry.) 19:17 < Maulkin> I'd suggest asking Bdale if there's progress first. 19:17 < Diziet> Maulkin: I think if there had been progress then we'd know about it. 19:18 < Diziet> And it wouldn't hurt to have someone follow up with Greg and be told `I spoke to Bdale about this too'. 19:18 < schultmc> can we move this to -board and continue, please? 19:18 < jberkus> Diziet: how about you? 19:18 < Maulkin> I can't volunteer right now... I've got my head in the clouds and have no idea what's going on. 19:18 < Maulkin> yeah, /me suggests -board 19:18 < Diziet> jberkus: Err, I was just describing myself as useless but you can tell me to do it and I might be less useless this time ... 19:19 < Hydroxide> I suggest we give Bdale and Diziet another month to have one of them follow up 19:19 < Diziet> schultmc: Not until we have someone to action. 19:19 < Diziet> Hydroxide: OK. 19:19 < cdlu> not much will happen in the next two weeks no matter what. 19:19 < Diziet> No-one seems to object to that so that'll deal withit. 19:19 < Maulkin> okies 19:19 < Diziet> I mean, we can go on now. 19:19 < schultmc> 6.2 Resolution 2006-11-18.dbg.mjs.1 - Open Source Initiative domain 19:19 < Maulkin> time for fun... 19:19 < cdlu> we agreed not to debate this in meeting. I move for a vote. 19:19 * Hydroxide requests that we don't discuss this any more than we already have since all arguments have already been made 19:20 * Maulkin seconds cdlu 19:20 < Diziet> I'm sure everyone has read all their email. Right. 19:20 * schultmc seconds cdlu 19:20 < Maulkin> Voting started, 6 people (cdlu,jberkus,schultmc,hydroxide,maulkin,diziet) allowed to vote on Approve Resolution 2006-11-18.dbg.mjs.1 - Open Source Initiative domain. - You may vote yes/no/abstain only, type !vote $yourchoice now. 19:20 < Diziet> !vote no 19:20 < cdlu> !vote yes 19:20 < Maulkin> !vote yes 19:20 < Hydroxide> !vote yes 19:20 < jberkus> !vote abstain 19:20 < schultmc> !vote yes 19:20 -!- scott [~scott@scott.noc.oftc.net] has joined #spi 19:20 < Maulkin> Current voting results for "Approve Resolution 2006-11-18.dbg.mjs.1 - Open Source Initiative domain": Yes: 4, No: 1, Abstain: 1, Missing: 0 () 19:20 < Maulkin> Voting for "Approve Resolution 2006-11-18.dbg.mjs.1 - Open Source Initiative domain" closed. 19:20 < Maulkin> Vote passes 19:21 < schultmc> 6.3 Outstanding items requesting comment from the DPL - see discussion 19:21 < Hydroxide> wow. we spent 1 minute on that during the meeting. impressive. 19:21 < schultmc> Items 1-3 on this are pending Bdale's discussion with Greg. Items 4 and 5 are awaiting data entry on the accounting system, and are being worked on. 19:21 < jberkus> financial items are in progress 19:21 < Diziet> Hydroxide: Isn't it good to do the prep work. 19:21 < cdlu> hydroxide, and five recovering from the shock :) 19:21 < linuxpoet> I would like to ask for a timeline on 4 and 5 19:22 < Diziet> linuxpoet: Who are you, sorry ? 19:22 < jberkus> linuxpoet: which are those? 19:22 < Hydroxide> Diziet: quite, espsecially for controversial items like that 19:22 < slef> Hydroxide: and gave away SPI's assets to a closed group with less than three days of member consultation. Yay you. 19:22 < linuxpoet> Diziet: Joshua Drake, PostgreSQL Liason 19:22 < Diziet> linuxpoet: Ah, thanks. 19:22 < Diziet> slef: Oh, FFS just shut up will you. 19:22 < jberkus> linuxpoet: actually, you're strictly the financial liason. XZilla should be the one asking 19:22 < xzilla> jberkus: I would like to ask for a timeline on 4 and 5 19:23 < jberkus> heh 19:23 < jberkus> since I'm on low bandwitdh, can you let me know what 4 and 5 are? 19:23 < Maulkin> jberkus: sure 19:23 < Hydroxide> slef: this issue has been discussed so much with the members many many times. 19:23 < schultmc> 4 is precise accounting of funds held by SPI 19:23 < schultmc> 5 is report of donation from C&P 19:23 < jberkus> ok 19:24 < Hydroxide> slef: but, please let's not get into a long side discussion during the meeting, especially since I want it to be a short meeting so I can pack afterward for my trip home for the holidays 19:24 < jberkus> C&P donation reports are available direct from me on demand, if I'm not travelling 19:24 < jberkus> other accounting timeline: January 10th for setup, completion depending on volunteer recruitment for data entry 19:25 < schue> slef: yeah, that was pretty smooth. 19:25 < xzilla> jberkus: i'd like to request that some money be allocated for doing the data entry, this has been draging on for some time 19:25 < schue> I just hope that OSI doesn't end up being instrumental in dictating some government's definition of what OpenSource is and isn't. 19:25 < Ganneff> schue: please not in the meeting. 19:25 < jberkus> xzilla: let me find out what volunteers are like first. we may have enough 19:26 < schue> oh. thought it ended... whoops. 19:26 * schue shuts up 19:26 * schultmc moves on 19:26 < schultmc> [item 7, Next board meeting] 19:26 < jberkus> xzilla: the current bottleneck is me writing some code to correct the CoA and doing demo entires and balance forward with the CPA 19:26 < Maulkin> Next board meeting will be held at Tuesday, January 16th, 2007 unless you hear from myself otherwise. Note: this *may* change, as it seems that this meeting time may be inconvinent for board members. We'll need to work ot something on the list, I'll mail -board. 19:27 * Maulkin done 19:27 < Diziet> Can you make sure to give at least a week's notice ? 19:27 < schultmc> Maulkin: thanks 19:27 < cdlu> this is your one month notice :) 19:27 < Hydroxide> should be OK for me, though there's a small chance I might have a conflict. 19:27 < Diziet> cdlu: No, because it's not confirmed. 19:27 < Maulkin> Diziet: Well, in terms of notice, this is your notice now :) I'll try and get a reminder out a week in advance though, yes 19:27 < jberkus> Diziet: presumably any change would need to be a postponement 19:28 < Diziet> jberkus: That would be all right. 19:28 < schultmc> Ok, thank you to everyone present for participating today. Until next time! 19:28 < schultmc> *GAVEL*